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With an SPR that low (~1), an over-pair is effectively the nuts. Shove, call or whatever, the money is in the middle. Not a thing you can do about it but reload and move on.
I mean, that’s my thought process — it’s not like I was folding. Unless he has exactly TT, I have 10% equity regardless. I guess if I check and he shoves I’m getting 2:1, then I can think: is there a 20% chance he’s bluffing or betting something like pocket QQ/JJ, etc.?
But was my bet right, or should I have gotten information? Or — suppose I was going to win. Would I have been better served check/calling or doing some probe bet to get value from AK or something?
It’s not like this bet gets better hands to fold and worse hands to call — not within most 3-bet ranges (maybe AA folds).
And I know that it’s a static flop from my perspective (he doesn’t know that only A is an overcard). Should I be ready to check/check and see the turn?
Thats a great flop to call off. Unlikely he has a T. Chances of flopping trips 1.35%. Oops! Reload. He is behind everything you 3bet. AT is a fold. You are at a good table. Keep playing.
CO getting 2:1 to call preflop with AT (s? I don’t know because I just saw the ten, really). Does CO ever call to maybe look for a combo draw? Like, maybe he thought I was fishy (I just sat down). I’d be interested to see what the flop analyzer says. I wonder what kind of a move it would be at 100-200 effective, or short handed, too. That hand can definitely hit a flop hard. I mean, if you’re on 2c/5c micro with $10-15 (or $20) effective, do you call as CO?
As the IR, you are expected to c-bet a flop that dry. I generally prefer a small bet when deeper but it just doesn't matter here. Neither of you have the stack depths to do anything but get them in. With KK on that flop, I am dying to get it in, knowing he doesn't have AA or he would have 4-bet shoved preflop.
ATs is a different beast than ATo. I think people over-value the unsuited version way too much. Will some people call the 3-bet with it? Yup. Take note of that and start sizing up your value bets and reducing your bluffs because the player is a calling station. You only need to see a few hands showdown to confirm that and then you are printing money for the rest of the session unless he runs extremely good.
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I am new to Ring games but it looks to me like you got sucked out on. I am curious as to what warloch and high five would say. Will be watching
With an SPR that low (~1), an over-pair is effectively the nuts. Shove, call or whatever, the money is in the middle. Not a thing you can do about it but reload and move on.
But was my bet right, or should I have gotten information? Or — suppose I was going to win. Would I have been better served check/calling or doing some probe bet to get value from AK or something?
It’s not like this bet gets better hands to fold and worse hands to call — not within most 3-bet ranges (maybe AA folds).
And I know that it’s a static flop from my perspective (he doesn’t know that only A is an overcard). Should I be ready to check/check and see the turn?
As the IR, you are expected to c-bet a flop that dry. I generally prefer a small bet when deeper but it just doesn't matter here. Neither of you have the stack depths to do anything but get them in. With KK on that flop, I am dying to get it in, knowing he doesn't have AA or he would have 4-bet shoved preflop.
ATs is a different beast than ATo. I think people over-value the unsuited version way too much. Will some people call the 3-bet with it? Yup. Take note of that and start sizing up your value bets and reducing your bluffs because the player is a calling station. You only need to see a few hands showdown to confirm that and then you are printing money for the rest of the session unless he runs extremely good.
Glad to see all of these illuminating comments. YES, "Think" you were the victim of suck out. You move on and thats easier said than done. Cheers, CC