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KK TT3 flop

think
think
edited August 2018 in Specific Hand Questions
KK in BB, 1-2-3 live game ~150 stack

CO bets 15, I 3-bet to 45 — pot 80-90

Flop heads-up TT3 RB. Shoved 102 and got shown AT.

Comments?

Comments

  • cupcake
    cupcake

    I am new to Ring games but it looks to me like you got sucked out on. I am curious as to what warloch and high five would say. Will be watching

  • 1warlock
    1warlock
    edited August 2018

    With an SPR that low (~1), an over-pair is effectively the nuts. Shove, call or whatever, the money is in the middle. Not a thing you can do about it but reload and move on.

  • think
    think
    edited August 2018
    I mean, that’s my thought process — it’s not like I was folding. Unless he has exactly TT, I have 10% equity regardless. I guess if I check and he shoves I’m getting 2:1, then I can think: is there a 20% chance he’s bluffing or betting something like pocket QQ/JJ, etc.?

    But was my bet right, or should I have gotten information? Or — suppose I was going to win. Would I have been better served check/calling or doing some probe bet to get value from AK or something?

    It’s not like this bet gets better hands to fold and worse hands to call — not within most 3-bet ranges (maybe AA folds).

    And I know that it’s a static flop from my perspective (he doesn’t know that only A is an overcard). Should I be ready to check/check and see the turn?
  • highfive
    highfive
    Thats a great flop to call off. Unlikely he has a T. Chances of flopping trips 1.35%. Oops! Reload. He is behind everything you 3bet. AT is a fold. You are at a good table. Keep playing.
  • think
    think
    edited August 2018
    CO getting 2:1 to call preflop with AT (s? I don’t know because I just saw the ten, really). Does CO ever call to maybe look for a combo draw? Like, maybe he thought I was fishy (I just sat down). I’d be interested to see what the flop analyzer says. I wonder what kind of a move it would be at 100-200 effective, or short handed, too. That hand can definitely hit a flop hard. I mean, if you’re on 2c/5c micro with $10-15 (or $20) effective, do you call as CO?
  • 1warlock
    1warlock
    edited August 2018

    As the IR, you are expected to c-bet a flop that dry. I generally prefer a small bet when deeper but it just doesn't matter here. Neither of you have the stack depths to do anything but get them in. With KK on that flop, I am dying to get it in, knowing he doesn't have AA or he would have 4-bet shoved preflop.

    ATs is a different beast than ATo. I think people over-value the unsuited version way too much. Will some people call the 3-bet with it? Yup. Take note of that and start sizing up your value bets and reducing your bluffs because the player is a calling station. You only need to see a few hands showdown to confirm that and then you are printing money for the rest of the session unless he runs extremely good.

  • cupcake
    cupcake

    Glad to see all of these illuminating comments. YES, "Think" you were the victim of suck out. You move on and thats easier said than done. Cheers, CC

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