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First the hand you have is trips not a set. A set is 2 7s in hand and 1 on the board. Very different hands with different power.
In the hand, I don't lead. You discourage others calling with a lead. Other villains could have over pairs and call. They could have an 8 or a draw. Leading is too highly correlated to strength. How do you bluff lead into 3 players? So difficult to do.
I check raise and barrel for value. You can shove river and credibly rep the flush.
If villain reraises you c/r, then caution flags go up a little.
As played I like your river check when the flush comes in. You saved some chips there. When your lead gets raised, its a call. Your additional raise blows villain off bluffs and over pairs.
You are trying to get value from lessser hands. Your line is pushing them off weaker hands. If villain has a draw, you want them to stay because you're a favorite.
A check call line is next best. In the end it is a cooler but you could have lost less.
You might 3bet pre some % of the time. You have 3 limpers showing weakness. You could win preflop.
Thank you high five. Not sure I understand "You might 3bet pre some % of the time. You have 3 limpers showing weakness. You could win preflop.
I understand the statement generally but in context with this hand I don't. Winning pre-flop with 10,7 suited?
Sorry for the unclear post. )
The question was, " How would you have played this hand?"
I have a predetermined range of hands I raise with preflop. T7h is not one of those, but it is suited with nice playability. If 3 people call the big blind, known as limping, I might take the opportunity to bluff raise to $12-$14 and win (likely) when they fold.
Just a suggestion on an alternative way to play the hand when you face similar hands in the future.
I'd give you a completely different answer. I liked the bet on the flop. No one demonstrated any strength preflop, so I'm not necessarily expecting anyone else to bet a paired flop that doesn't hit that many hands hard. You flopped so well that you have to think you are ahead and that point and want to build the pot if you can (to potentially let opponents make even more costly mistakes on later streets). Opponents are either going to continue by calling/betting if they have 8-x or a pocket pair or they aren't. I don't think you betting vs. checking and waiting for them to be the flop makes much of a difference.
The $6 bet on the flop is correctly sized. When the re-raise comes, you have to think you opponent is on flush draw, straight draw, or maybe a 7 (say, 7-5, 7-6, 7-8, 7-9, or 7-A) of which you are ahead of three of the five most likely combinations. So your re-re-raise on the flop, still with the expectation of being ahead, is also fine.
In the end, you probably lost less than you could have by not getting it all in on either the flop or turn.
Good explanation. Well thought out. You didn't mention bluffs though. The lead discourages cbet bluffs. I'd cbet this flop often with something or nothing.
So would many others. Thats lost value.....maybe.
( I'd never be here bc I open raise or raise from the big blind preflop)
Both of them are forcing the others to have strong hands to stay in. The opposite of optimal.
I like it when players lead and I have nothing. Thank you. Fold.
They just lost a 1/2 pot cbet.
Also I would have played this carefully knowing my kicker sucked. This really is not a big pot hand.
Everyone made good points so far. I'm on board with how the hand went up until you were raised on your flop bet. I just call this raise rather than re-raise. You have a strong hand but not one I'd want to go nuts with. I want to get value from overpairs or flush draws but I do not want to create a huge pot with massive negative implied equity. Nothing kills a stack like overvaluing your hand. Trips are great but far from the nuts here. You are blocking the right side of the straight draw with the T so I'd be skewing villains range more towards overpairs and flush draws, with some 7x hands but not many. I'd like my hand but not be in love with it.
So, I'd call villains raise on the flop and then check-call turn and river on a favorable runout. I may be playing it on the safe side but I've ben in too many of these pots where nasty things happen. When you start seeing raises on paired boards, unless you have the nuts you need to be very careful.
you up against a passive beginner... the villain's raise on the flop shows strength, so i would be nervous of 88
on the turn I would have checked the villain's raise
hindsight is 20-20... villain could have a medium pair or AK etc
games I play bad guys have trips and A kicker would have shoved after i re-raise on flop and i would have a tough decision
what i strive to do is get my monies in when i have good cards and trips is good cards
ten kicker isnt a disaster could be less?
so i cant fault your play at all
no way I would fold that
i think if you run the odds on that hand ... for villain have a 7 (better kicker) or 88 is slim
make the bet and if villain does have.... say ... "nice hand and pay"
you lost less monies on that hand than i would have lol
Since we are here to learn please accept this as such, not criticism. I would either raise here, or if checked try to get minimal value. Trips with a weak kicker in a nonraised 4 way hand is just asking for disaster. Raise big (like $20) to get the limpers out, then you are left with semi-premium hands and if you continue to be reraised you have run across a boat or a higher 10. Or if you check, and are reraised on the flop go into just check calling mode, as you are likely but not certainly beat.
@highfive said:
Good explanation. Well thought out. You didn't mention bluffs though. The lead discourages cbet bluffs. I'd cbet this flop often with something or nothing.
So would many others. Thats lost value.....maybe.
( I'd never be here bc I open raise or raise from the big blind preflop)
Both of them are forcing the others to have strong hands to stay in. The opposite of optimal.
I like it when players lead and I have nothing. Thank you. Fold.
They just lost a 1/2 pot cbet.
Also I would have played this carefully knowing my kicker sucked. This really is not a big pot hand.
Except that since the pot was limped pre-flop, I wouldn't consider any bet on the flop to be a C-bet.
If there had been a pre-flop raiser, then I'd certainly have checked out of position to allow the pre-flop lead to fire a (probably sizeable) C-bet with hand still being 4-way on the flop. If the pot, due to some pre-flop raiser, being ~$35 going to the flop with a ~$25 C-bet probably coming to charge any straight and flush draws to pay and give me the chance to drop a big check-raise on the flop, yes, I wouldn't need to lead out on the flop to build the pot.
And while I get people not loving the 10 kicker, I keep having to come back to, if one of my opponents limped pre-flop with a 7-x, what are the likely combinations - A-7, 9-7, 8-7, 7-6, and 7-5, IMO. I don't figure to run into many K-7, Q-7, J-7, or even 10-7 limpers, unless perhaps it a player that just loves to play any suited cards for flush potential.
@MAM4 said:
I'd give you a completely different answer. I liked the bet on the flop. No one demonstrated any strength preflop, so I'm not necessarily expecting anyone else to bet a paired flop that doesn't hit that many hands hard. You flopped so well that you have to think you are ahead and that point and want to build the pot if you can (to potentially let opponents make even more costly mistakes on later streets). Opponents are either going to continue by calling/betting if they have 8-x or a pocket pair or they aren't. I don't think you betting vs. checking and waiting for them to be the flop makes much of a difference.
The $6 bet on the flop is correctly sized. When the re-raise comes, you have to think you opponent is on flush draw, straight draw, or maybe a 7 (say, 7-5, 7-6, 7-8, 7-9, or 7-A) of which you are ahead of three of the five most likely combinations. So your re-re-raise on the flop, still with the expectation of being ahead, is also fine.
In the end, you probably lost less than you could have by not getting it all in on either the flop or turn.
@1warlock said:
Everyone made good points so far. I'm on board with how the hand went up until you were raised on your flop bet. I just call this raise rather than re-raise. You have a strong hand but not one I'd want to go nuts with. I want to get value from overpairs or flush draws but I do not want to create a huge pot with massive negative implied equity. Nothing kills a stack like overvaluing your hand. Trips are great but far from the nuts here. You are blocking the right side of the straight draw with the T so I'd be skewing villains range more towards overpairs and flush draws, with some 7x hands but not many. I'd like my hand but not be in love with it.
So, I'd call villains raise on the flop and then check-call turn and river on a favorable runout. I may be playing it on the safe side but I've ben in too many of these pots where nasty things happen. When you start seeing raises on paired boards, unless you have the nuts you need to be very careful.
I so aggree with just calling the raise instead of re-raising. I do have aggression issues. Not total Donk aggy but my aggression ratings are still quite high like 7.0, lol.
you up against a passive beginner... the villain's raise on the flop shows strength, so i would be nervous of 88
on the turn I would have checked the villain's raise
hindsight is 20-20... villain could have a medium pair or AK etc
games I play bad guys have trips and A kicker would have shoved after i re-raise on flop and i would have a tough decision
what i strive to do is get my monies in when i have good cards and trips is good cards
ten kicker isnt a disaster could be less?
so i cant fault your play at all
no way I would fold that
i think if you run the odds on that hand ... for villain have a 7 (better kicker) or 88 is slim
make the bet and if villain does have.... say ... "nice hand and pay"
you lost less monies on that hand than i would have lol
hugs
Thanks for your feedback Krista. I think it is a cooler considering that I am playing loose, passive, beginners. I do see where I could have saved myself some money by not re-raising the raise and going to nuts.
@MAM4 said:
I'd give you a completely different answer. I liked the bet on the flop. No one demonstrated any strength preflop, so I'm not necessarily expecting anyone else to bet a paired flop that doesn't hit that many hands hard. You flopped so well that you have to think you are ahead and that point and want to build the pot if you can (to potentially let opponents make even more costly mistakes on later streets). Opponents are either going to continue by calling/betting if they have 8-x or a pocket pair or they aren't. I don't think you betting vs. checking and waiting for them to be the flop makes much of a difference.
The $6 bet on the flop is correctly sized. When the re-raise comes, you have to think you opponent is on flush draw, straight draw, or maybe a 7 (say, 7-5, 7-6, 7-8, 7-9, or 7-A) of which you are ahead of three of the five most likely combinations. So your re-re-raise on the flop, still with the expectation of being ahead, is also fine.
In the end, you probably lost less than you could have by not getting it all in on either the flop or turn.
Hey MAM4, thank you so much for your input! CC
You're welcome.
Bottom line - I'd say if you got it all in against your opponent on the flop on this hand in almost any low limit game at a casino, you'd be ahead there well over half the time.
@krista said:
hi Cupcake
you know if villain had turned over A 8 ... your play would have been defined as brilliant!
LMAO, thank you Krista, I have been grinding the low games because that is where I will be starting. Have also been watching a great deal of youtube and twitch streams of micro stakes. I must say that I think the Bots are preparing me for total disregard of the board opponants. Many of these Bots will call , call, call with just a pair.
hey cupcake we very similar i study hard and play a lot on PokerStars for low things... good luck ... stay in touch with how you doin maybe look at I HAVE A PLAN and join in with where you at occasionally - hugs
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Flopped set 7's with 10 kicker. Lost to set 7's Ace Kicker. How would you have played this hand??? Sorry for the double Post.
CC
In the hand, I don't lead. You discourage others calling with a lead. Other villains could have over pairs and call. They could have an 8 or a draw. Leading is too highly correlated to strength. How do you bluff lead into 3 players? So difficult to do.
I check raise and barrel for value. You can shove river and credibly rep the flush.
If villain reraises you c/r, then caution flags go up a little.
As played I like your river check when the flush comes in. You saved some chips there. When your lead gets raised, its a call. Your additional raise blows villain off bluffs and over pairs.
You are trying to get value from lessser hands. Your line is pushing them off weaker hands. If villain has a draw, you want them to stay because you're a favorite.
A check call line is next best. In the end it is a cooler but you could have lost less.
You might 3bet pre some % of the time. You have 3 limpers showing weakness. You could win preflop.
Thank you high five. Not sure I understand "You might 3bet pre some % of the time. You have 3 limpers showing weakness. You could win preflop.
I understand the statement generally but in context with this hand I don't. Winning pre-flop with 10,7 suited?
Regards,
CC
The question was, " How would you have played this hand?"
I have a predetermined range of hands I raise with preflop. T7h is not one of those, but it is suited with nice playability. If 3 people call the big blind, known as limping, I might take the opportunity to bluff raise to $12-$14 and win (likely) when they fold.
Just a suggestion on an alternative way to play the hand when you face similar hands in the future.
Btw Is your hair really turquoise?)
I'd give you a completely different answer. I liked the bet on the flop. No one demonstrated any strength preflop, so I'm not necessarily expecting anyone else to bet a paired flop that doesn't hit that many hands hard. You flopped so well that you have to think you are ahead and that point and want to build the pot if you can (to potentially let opponents make even more costly mistakes on later streets). Opponents are either going to continue by calling/betting if they have 8-x or a pocket pair or they aren't. I don't think you betting vs. checking and waiting for them to be the flop makes much of a difference.
The $6 bet on the flop is correctly sized. When the re-raise comes, you have to think you opponent is on flush draw, straight draw, or maybe a 7 (say, 7-5, 7-6, 7-8, 7-9, or 7-A) of which you are ahead of three of the five most likely combinations. So your re-re-raise on the flop, still with the expectation of being ahead, is also fine.
In the end, you probably lost less than you could have by not getting it all in on either the flop or turn.
So would many others. Thats lost value.....maybe.
( I'd never be here bc I open raise or raise from the big blind preflop)
Both of them are forcing the others to have strong hands to stay in. The opposite of optimal.
I like it when players lead and I have nothing. Thank you. Fold.
They just lost a 1/2 pot cbet.
Also I would have played this carefully knowing my kicker sucked. This really is not a big pot hand.
Everyone made good points so far. I'm on board with how the hand went up until you were raised on your flop bet. I just call this raise rather than re-raise. You have a strong hand but not one I'd want to go nuts with. I want to get value from overpairs or flush draws but I do not want to create a huge pot with massive negative implied equity. Nothing kills a stack like overvaluing your hand. Trips are great but far from the nuts here. You are blocking the right side of the straight draw with the T so I'd be skewing villains range more towards overpairs and flush draws, with some 7x hands but not many. I'd like my hand but not be in love with it.
So, I'd call villains raise on the flop and then check-call turn and river on a favorable runout. I may be playing it on the safe side but I've ben in too many of these pots where nasty things happen. When you start seeing raises on paired boards, unless you have the nuts you need to be very careful.
hi cupcake!
i don't know ...
you up against a passive beginner... the villain's raise on the flop shows strength, so i would be nervous of 88
on the turn I would have checked the villain's raise
hindsight is 20-20... villain could have a medium pair or AK etc
games I play bad guys have trips and A kicker would have shoved after i re-raise on flop and i would have a tough decision
what i strive to do is get my monies in when i have good cards and trips is good cards
ten kicker isnt a disaster could be less?
so i cant fault your play at all
no way I would fold that
i think if you run the odds on that hand ... for villain have a 7 (better kicker) or 88 is slim
make the bet and if villain does have.... say ... "nice hand and pay"
you lost less monies on that hand than i would have lol
hugs
Since we are here to learn please accept this as such, not criticism. I would either raise here, or if checked try to get minimal value. Trips with a weak kicker in a nonraised 4 way hand is just asking for disaster. Raise big (like $20) to get the limpers out, then you are left with semi-premium hands and if you continue to be reraised you have run across a boat or a higher 10. Or if you check, and are reraised on the flop go into just check calling mode, as you are likely but not certainly beat.
Just to clarify I mean raise big pre-flop.
Except that since the pot was limped pre-flop, I wouldn't consider any bet on the flop to be a C-bet.
If there had been a pre-flop raiser, then I'd certainly have checked out of position to allow the pre-flop lead to fire a (probably sizeable) C-bet with hand still being 4-way on the flop. If the pot, due to some pre-flop raiser, being ~$35 going to the flop with a ~$25 C-bet probably coming to charge any straight and flush draws to pay and give me the chance to drop a big check-raise on the flop, yes, I wouldn't need to lead out on the flop to build the pot.
And while I get people not loving the 10 kicker, I keep having to come back to, if one of my opponents limped pre-flop with a 7-x, what are the likely combinations - A-7, 9-7, 8-7, 7-6, and 7-5, IMO. I don't figure to run into many K-7, Q-7, J-7, or even 10-7 limpers, unless perhaps it a player that just loves to play any suited cards for flush potential.
Hey MAM4, thank you so much for your input! CC
I so aggree with just calling the raise instead of re-raising. I do have aggression issues. Not total Donk aggy but my aggression ratings are still quite high like 7.0, lol.
Thanks for your feedback Krista. I think it is a cooler considering that I am playing loose, passive, beginners. I do see where I could have saved myself some money by not re-raising the raise and going to nuts.
hi Cupcake
you know if villain had turned over A 8 ... your play would have been defined as brilliant!
You're welcome.
Bottom line - I'd say if you got it all in against your opponent on the flop on this hand in almost any low limit game at a casino, you'd be ahead there well over half the time.
LMAO, thank you Krista, I have been grinding the low games because that is where I will be starting. Have also been watching a great deal of youtube and twitch streams of micro stakes. I must say that I think the Bots are preparing me for total disregard of the board opponants. Many of these Bots will call , call, call with just a pair.
hey cupcake we very similar i study hard and play a lot on PokerStars for low things... good luck ... stay in touch with how you doin maybe look at I HAVE A PLAN and join in with where you at occasionally - hugs