ok... i playing SNG and a couple brazilian guys chat each other in own language, I recognize they say corbee in their chat (i use kcorbee in PStars)
could they be telling each other their cards? or how i play? or maybe just speculate on size my boobs?
if people were to cheat, get advantage know cards of a friend, how would that ever be defeated - like cheaters could be on phone each other?
am i being paranoid?
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Answer is yes. They could be cheating. Although they are dumb to do it in chat since Pstars has it all recorded.
I also suspect they were discussing your boobs. Men are men. )
Remedy: take screenshot with game number and players' names. Email pstars and tell of your concerns.
1. Chat is supposed to be in English on Stars.
2. Stars has complete player history. Maybe these will be found sitting at the same table often.
Payouts in smallish buyin SNGs are a lot of money in Brazil. Cheaters have incentive to cheat.
I sat at a table with 4 ladies who were knocked out of a Wsop circuit event. They knew one another. Then I observed them soft playing one another, so I racked up and left. No idea if they were cheating but I left anyway.
They are Brazillian, they're talking about your butt
Online sites track ISP addresses to make sure people aren't playing from the same location. They are supposed to talk in English but many people don't. I very much doubt they are cheating because as @highfive said, its so easy to review and they are toast if found out. I also see people soft-playing each other from time to time and it drives me nuts. I've even seen pre-emptive folds in tournaments near the bubble after initially raising. So friend 1 raises friend 2's BB. Friend 2 calls and on the flop checks. Friend 1 then folds instead of checking back. I about lost my mind when I saw that in a satellite. Grrrr.
I wouldn't worry about cheating so much. Most of the players you are facing are frankly too bad to figure out how to even do it right if they tried.
i play now in $10-$15 things and i no think are 'poor players'... what buy-ins you consider then good players?
Well, a 10NL cash game is populated mostly by fish. Skills increase substantially moving from 10NL to 25 and then more so moving to 50 and 100. The biggest jump in overall skills I've seen is from 100 to 200. 200NL is an adjustment for many people and I would start to categorize players who can turn a profit at this level to be "good". Not experts but good.
In MTTs and SnG's, the overall level of play is lower than in cash games as a general rule. Because SnGs are so formulaic, you see better technical play at lower buy-ins than you do in MTT's. Also the spread in skills in large MTTs is huge, with very bad and very good players coming in at almost all buy-ins. The average level of skill goes up as buy-ins increase but the variance among the players remains.
I'm also going to address this issue in the other thread where it appears I've hurt your feelings unintentionally.
no worries it was late (too much wine) and i over reacted ,
but i do feel strongly about this issue and i like address it separately with my feelings on the whole subject later
btw... during my studies just now... i have twitch running and I watching Doug Polk (a trainer expert, I have his things and numerous videos 'upswing poker')
yes he playing multiple tables but know what?
he playing cash NL 10/20 cents and $5 tournies... that is exactly the level i play at now
@kristak - Are you sure he's playing $0.10/0.20? More likely he is playing $10/20. Take another look.
Wow - is this the thing he did years ago or is he doing it now?
Never mind - he's doing it again. What a glutton for punishment! I think you should try to beat him to the $10K and then post your results on his site I'm glad he made a comment about how to build the roll early on though as it was the same advice I had - SnG's are the place to build from at the start.
no its live right now and he going tilted hahaha
The micro-stakes can drive anyone nuts but if you're used to playing against solid competition, its even worse. I think Ryan Fee did a test where he went back to play the micros and was negative over the 1st 3-5K hands. Its a totally different game. Forget GTO altogether - its max-exploitative and super high variance. Almost no way to range opponents or have any idea what their bets mean. Why on earth is he doing this to himself?
ok warlock... those and i playing now are LOW stakes... MICRO is history
grrrr again you putting down quality of players, at that level sighs ... i goin get a hockey stick whack you lol
if you and pros like Doug Polk (who have egos bigger than a house) so damn good why then ... why i see tournaments and usually pros never get past early round? i also like see profit-loss statements
follow your logic then pros win most times? well they don't, not even near it
and if you guys have the magic on how can range an opponent - please share the secret... it seems a mantra of teachers ... put opponent on his range - i have yet to have anyone say how accurately do such
pros do well occasionally cause they can afford buy-in to $55-215 things
they have years and zillion hands experience so subconsciously they can make good decisions in the required tiny time available... cause much is 'deja vu' and the remainder is LUCK
If you want to see how certain pros or players are doing, go the Hendon Mob: http://www.thehendonmob.com/
Tournaments are high-variance events. At the buy-ins you are talking about there are tons of grinders (i.e. regs) who eke out a decent ROI day in and out. I don't think you will see a lot of top-level people playing them and those are really the only names most people know.
Using myself as an example, when I started playing tournaments (started with live), I had an adequate enough game to cash in a fairly high number of them. It was a far higher ratio of cashes than most pros had. However, I was not running deeper than that and was only making min-cashes or a little better. I had a flaw in my approach before the bubble stage that put me in a spot where I was focusing on just getting past the bubble. I wasn't setting myself up for deeper runs. Since the payouts are heavily top-loaded, even though I was cashing a lot, my ROI was lower than people who cashed fewer times but ran deeper when they did.
The point is that tournaments are different beasts than cash games. The variance is much higher and the payouts are top-weighted. If you want to make a lot of money in tournaments you actually have to be willing to bust out of them at a greater frequency than I was. The dynamics of online MTT's are the same but even more exaggerated because you can jump into another one pretty quickly if you bust out. The people making their living doing this (the pros) understand these dynamics and have created their strategies to make deep runs rather than just cashes. This of course also means that they will bust out early quite a lot. No point wasting time for a min-cash when you can jump into another game and take another shot at the top payout spots.
sage comments as always and you put up with my kidding lol
Variance - is pros code word for LUCK right?
i do respect pros... but also I consider if you had enough bankroll and time, and you played every WSOP event, every WPT event, every high rollers thing and online 24/7
you goin win your share... and with luck, lots of luck, you will be at a final table somewhere playing for a zillion
i agree cash games way different
but more i play poker for money the more i believe LUCK is the main component along with a huge bankroll so you can have the "balls" to risk it all
i just into this 2 months - likely i different ideas when its been 2 years