this is a small 9 player regular session I just tried as a new user on this site. These are the hands i tagged with notes to see if I can play them differently and possibly fold them or are they just run bad cooler hands. For the most part i make good decisions but the ones I lose on seem to be HUGE pots which ultimately crush my stacks in cash or tournaments. Any suggestions or opinions would be appreciated. thanks!
the replayers dont show the comments on the hands that I made during the play. A few of these i clicked on the "advise" button and it only confused me more so some I followed and a few I did not and played as I thought was best.
I feel that pain, seems like a few big hands with second best undoes so much for me as well.
For the AJ suited UTG play I have a couple of concerns. The opening raise is a marginal decision, but many players likely do so, I likely do something similar - AJ early position though is one of those classic trouble spots. After that though, when the SB raises, and two players who called your raise left to act, I think this is a spot to get away from the hand with so little invested to this point. You are likely dominated.
On the flop with top 2-pair, when the pre-flop aggressor checks to you I think in a 4-way pot you have to put a bet out there, 50%-60% of the pot, at minimum for value as the only hand you really fear is 99 as AA and JJ are very unlikely, and partially to make a possible flush or gut shot Broadway draws pay. I assume you were trying to set up a check-raise but on a board, and with the likely ranges of the other 3 players, like this only some pretty big hands are going to get out of line. The AK aggressor did a fairly tricky move by checking, but certainly would have called your bet, perhaps even raised which would have been great for you. The QQ acting after you would have been hard-pressed to call if you led into him and with 2 players yet to act, one who was the pre-flop aggressor and checked on the flop. He knows someone has an A, likely you and to continue with QQ is very risky.
On the turn, well this was tough. The Q is a not a great card for you as now you need to worry about AQ, QQ, on top of the 99 and the less likely AA or JJ. Given the preflop action all possible holdings among your 3 opponents. I would have more likely flatted the SB open. I'm not sure what calls you can beat. AK sure, a possibility (although AK should even reflect on that call) but what else? KK, 10-10 fold and A9 should. AJ for a chop perhaps but unlikely holding. Flush draws are fairly unlikely with the A out there. Most of the hands that call you beat you.
Interesting with next your JJ hand (and your following AQ hand for that matter), may point to a tendency to be overly aggressive post-flop in the face of resistance/aggression.
With the JJ, the pre-flop bet and continuation on the flop, certainly completely fine moves. But when the other player goes over the top for more than 3x, what hands is he representing? The ones you can beat are 10-10 and flush draws as straight draws are almost non-existent in his range. But you lose, and are drawing real thin to the other 6 pairs that would do this (AA, KK, JJ, 99, 55, and 44). So when you 3-bet you set yourself up for another difficult decision when the Villian 4-bet shoves. Yes, you are getting more than 3-1 on a call, but if you now dump flush draws and 10-10 from the range, you only have about 10% equity and that includes some runner-runner possibilities to give you a better boat as well as your two Js. With on overpair it looks like an obvious call, but I think if you look at the action and put your hand in against likely ranges into a too like:
you may still find a fold.
Your AdQd hand is a good one to re-examine also as even the pre-flop raise might be a tad overly aggressive, but certainly defensible. But I am not sure what your plan was with a 6h10hKh flop when you flat call the $200 open. You have a gut shot and even if you hit it, there is a chance you are losing to a flush. Your outs are really down to 3 not 4 because a 4 flush on the board for you is not good. I think this is a fold on the flop nearly every time. In fact, I think the second best option is a raise to represent the flush, especially if you had any intention of aggressing on the turn, although again by far the lower option. But when you do flat, I think betting the turn when you get checked to set you up for the check-raise-fold that ensued.
You certainly had some bad luck in several other hands - the 77 losing to a better set and the K-10 and A2 hands were tough as well. But I think I'd examine the timing of your aggression and thinking about where this puts you in tough spots. I may reign that in a little until you feel really solid about estimating your equity against opponents ranges. Play with the tool above a bit with some of the hands you posted and see where you think you stand at each street.
Thanks for posting! A lot of interesting hands.
First let me thank you for the long and detailed response This is exactly what I was looking for when signing up for this training site. I hope to see more of these analysis in the future to help me grow into a winning player.
Let me first say, that I was playing very fast and maybe that was my first error. My first response is... the thought processes to get to the ranges of opponents for me right now takes longer than the allowed 30 seconds of time action given in a normal online tournament or cash game. So this is what I am looking to improve on quickly and correct reads of player ranges. Also, I tend to play my hand only and do not give eight to the other players possible hands at all, but I am learning to take their possible hands into account too.
The AJ hand in reading your input... opening is marginal? is this a flat or even a fold pre? with a rather large stack and early in tourneys or cash tables, I tend to open or limp these being OOP. I think I lost that fact during the hand (being OOP). QQ flats behind early pos as well. AK in SB raises, so I call but should be aware of this aggression. the QQ was a sneaky flat. 2 pair flop didn't seem anything too scary so yes, I was likely going to check/raise or call and either lead or x/shove turn as I did. I let the QQ get there. I wanted to either get in vs a weaker 2 pair or the AK with a draw or any other draws. since the fop checked I should have slowed up as more hands were available to beat me at that point. Anything else you can input? thanks!
One bit of advice I will add, at least where my thought process is concerned: I wouldn't worry too much about trying to play fast on the trainer. At least from my perspective, it is more important to get the thought process down, make quality decisions, and then train for speed later.
The JJ hand.... As the opponent raised the flop... I honestly did sit and think for a while. I actually hit the advise button (which I tend to speculate on these suggestions as well) which if I recall said to reraise and if the opponent calls or raises then I am beat. So, i did as advised and make the 3bet raise, which at that point after the shove , i am pot committed. I thought of that before making the raise as I knew if i raise that i am committing the opponents stack. Again, the issue is not thinking next level to the range of the opponents. I need to work on that. thanks!
the AQd hand was a bad one, agreed. Not sure why I flatted the flop. The gut shot was the only hit and even that is thin. I think this was a fast play not thinking again. I think the turn bet was to try and represent a stronger hand and since opponent showed weakness by checking , i was going to steal the pot... and if he raises , i was folded as played.
The KT hand interests me. Can I dig into this one more? UTG limps (either super strong or a light limper) I raise from BTN , SB and UTG calls. Flop my top pair. K59 rainbow looks reasonable safe. with 2 checks I Cbet, the opponent with 88 calls? why would he call with 2 overs? was my cbet too small? I usually use the offered buttons of 1/2 or full pot or sometimes input my own bet size in between. The 5 turn slows me down a little. I could be beat by a larger K or maybe a 5 (A5, K5, or a low suited connector 45, 56) that followed. K9 possibly. so i check. The 8 brings a possible backdoor str8 (67) so my plan was a check call with all the options to beat me.
on the 77 vs 88 hand... can i read anything into the turn bet were there is 3100 in the pot and the opponent has 1750 left and only bets 1450? why not just shove? what is leaving the 300 back for? Ive seen that tend to be like a nutted strong hand vs a bluff or a losing hand? either way, with pot size vs stack i cant fold at that point. Just interested in your take on that idea. thanks!
Agreed! no need to go fast in the trainer. especially with no timer. Also tho, just trying to keep up with the time allowed during online play as well. I know I need to get the process down first tho. I will work on that. Thanks!
AJ UTG, even suited, may be a fold for the tightest of players but it is tough to just abandon that hand completely even OOP. Although open limping is not encouraged generally, this hand in this position is one I would often limp in early position with when deep stacked early in tournaments. Later of course it could be anything from a fold to a shove depending on stack size! But it is vulnerable and when facing significant aggression behind it is likely a hand to let go more than defend because you really need to flop well to be able to defend it against continuation betting and further aggression.
If the board was a bit more dry, and fewer players were involved, I could see trying to extract some value with an attempted check-raise. But because the board had a lot of danger cards that could hit the turn, I'd go straight out for value because likely the AK and AQ hands call you. But thinning the field a bit on the flop likely raises your potential to hold up. I mean the Q was a lousy turn card, but any heart or K was not great either, even a ten was not ideal with KQ suited a possible holding.
@pgearan Thanks again for the input!
@averagematt, I review one of these hands in the latest episode of my hand review series:
@SteveStokely Thanks again for the review.