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APT advice seems questionable with AA facing flop raise?
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I would never play AA this aggressively after being raised on the flop, but I was following the advisor advice just to see how the hand played out. I mean we are much too deep to be inflating the pot like this when we could certainly be up against a flopped set? I just think this is reckless overall to put this much money in on the flop?
Hi Steve and Welcome to APT. I can see you joined us this morning and have already posted to a couple of threads. It's good to have you here.
There are several threads in the APT questions part of the forum that address the features of the site and how best to use them. The advisors are one of the things that I address regularly. Here's a quote from one of my earlier posts that describes what I think you should do with their advice:
"The advice given by the advisors is based on their assessment of what they would do with your hand. It is strictly designed to be used as something to think about. I don't recommend taking their advice EVER when you are practicing, because that will change your training plan (because it becomes your action). Just think about their advice, look at the brain button to see a little more about why they think that is the best play, and contrast it with what you think you should do. Don't get results-oriented and start thinking that because you won and didn't follow the advice the advisor was wrong. By the same token, just because you lose and went against the advisor doesn't mean the advisor was right. In the long run, the advisors are what I would call "pretty ok". They definitely aren't great, although we are working on changes that should bring them closer to optimal play. For now, I'd recommend using them as just what they are - advice from a reasonably decent computer."
So similar to that, what I would tell you is that sometimes the advice won't make a ton of sense because the advisors, being computer that are designed to simulate humans, will make mistakes and do goofy things from time to time. If you know that what they are saying is wrong, look at the brain button to see what they are thinking because there is some basis for what they are suggesting - but don't take the advice ever when you are practicing. The most valuable part of our site imo is the training plans, and if you take the advice of the advisors, it will cause your training plans to be skewed by those actions.
Best of luck and I hope you enjoy the site.
Allen
Oh, and specifically to your question, that's some very, very aggressive play with just a single pair. Other than occasional randomization based on a read or an opponent's tendencies (which is what this must have been), that advice obviously seems out of line from typical play with a single pair post-flop. But if you trust that read on the flop, I don't get the fold advice on the turn. If anything, the second J makes it less likely you are beat because it reduces the combinations of JJ available to one. With the bet at 1/9 of the pot (and all-in, so no more cost), not calling that turn bet is a mistake imo. Even if opponent has 88 or 22 (which seem somewhat unlikely based on pre-flop play) you still have outs. I'm not seeing what the opponent could have that would explain her play pre-flop and flop unless she has that one JJ combo available, which is pretty unlikely.
Hey Allen, thanks for your replies, they definitely help me better understand how to use the training site now. After playing close to 500 hands on here today I actually started realizing that the advice is usually pretty solid but is often way off in multiway pots and even HU pots when we have TPTK or over pairs with a pretty large SPR, the advice usually has us raising or re raising if we are raised, and often all we are doing is getting worse hands to fold and better hands to take our chips. I did start to ignore the advice and just start playing and going with my reads based on the ranges I would put the particular players on and things were much more enjoyable and less frustrating because I kept looking at the advice earlier and was going against my own knowledge to see what would happen.
Now thanks to your reply I understand that I should never have blindly followed the advisor's advice because it will now skew my training program going forward etc. Do you think I should restart the database and if so how do I go about doing that? I guess I should have read more on here before playing, but I was excited to get right to it and fired up a bunch of hands before realizing something had to be wrong on the advisor advice etc.