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What is up with the advisor


So KQ was identified as a leak of mine and this was one of the weekly training hands I had. I raise UTG+3(with KS QS)after there were 2 limps, they both call. I raise an early pos bet on the flop(6D KC 9C), then face reraise. I call but before I do I wanted to see what the advisor would do, advisor also says call. On the turn(7S) I face another raise, I call advisor also says call. Then the river(AH) I face a $270ish raise into almost a $1800 pot I will call this all day everyday unless I know opponent has an ace but the advisor says to fold. How can the advisor justify folding the river? What am I not seeing? I felt I was in decent shape the whole hand, maybe trip 6 or trip 9 had me but felt like QJ, QT or JT clubs were easily in play there. Also AX of clubs and if my opponent hit the ace so be it. Also keep in mind this was on the Chips on Beach table so the opponents aren't supposed to be that good either, so maybe I my calls were loose(if my opponents weren't bad)?

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  • NappyN
    Answer ✓

    I would call also. There is $1,844 in the pot and you only have to call $272 on the river.

  • AceSleeves
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    Definitely a call on river. Don't love flop raise. Not trying to get stacks in most times with top pair, good kicker. Depends on the villain too. If it is one that only bets A+ on river, it might be a fold. But getting 6.77 to 1 are you good here 1 in 7.77 times? Slam dunk sigh-call most times.

  • AllenBlay
    edited August 2017 Answer ✓

    I agree - the advisor is wrong here and this is a call. I think this brings up a good point about the advisors and how to use the advice.

    The advisors are computers, and in general they play well and give pretty good advice. However, in the end they are computers and there is the old expression that "to err is human, but to really foul things up requires a computer." Something about that situation confused the computer into making a bad recommendation on the river. Something had the computer confused and making a fold that most humans would not make. Why? Because it is a computer and is programmed in a certain way. Of course, we try to tweak and fix them to not make mistakes like this. But this can be very difficult.

    Let's say we decide that to try to fix this, and we make the advisor say "call" whenever you are getting odds like this. Well, some other time there will be a situation where a human would look at it and know there is almost a 0% chance they are ahead. An obvious fold with human intuition. But a computer would just go based on the decision rule of "awesome odds = call" and give away money. So we can't tweak the advice that way, and we're back to having them do the best they can given all the variables we can program involving hand ranges, odds, previous play of the hand, opponent stats, etc. and once in a while the advice is clearly bad.

    So what does this mean for using the advice? I only look to the advisors when I am not sure what to do. I basically use them as a second opinion and not the law. If I already know what to do, I just do it. I have human intuition, and they don't. So the really bad advice that people post or send me involving our advisors is usually in a situation where there is a decision that is completely obvious to a human, but for some reason it wasn't to the computer. In those situations, I wouldn't even be looking at the advice. I look at the advice when I'm trying to analyze a tough situation. When I do look at the advice, I always look at the brain button, and post-flop I look at show range for my opponent. That way I can see if I agree with the computer's estimate of range and see the odds, etc. and put the advice into context. In a sense, I think the advisors (with the brain button and the show range) are good for helping players learn to do their own hand analysis, similar to what Paul Gearan blogged about yesterday ( and similar to the type that Steve does in his hand reviews (

    One other point on the advisors. I NEVER take their advice when it differs with my thoughts because if I do, that makes it my decision and this can mess up my training plan and reports. It's a second opinion that I consider and learn from, but I don't use it as I'm playing. I think about what they say, and a lot of the time I end up thinking that they were probably right and I was wrong. Sometimes I still think I was right, but it was close. But I don't ever take the advice and I continue to play it my way, and I use what I learned the next time a similar situation come up.

    Anyway, that's a really long way of saying that yes, sometimes the advice is wrong, but when it is really very clearly wrong, that's usually a situation where I wouldn't need to look at it anyway.

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