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Cupcakes REVENGE Stu Feldman 2!
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Yes, here it is. The final installment of Cupcakes Revenge, the Stu Feldman Sequel!
Laugh! Cry! Gasp in amazement at the SWEET hand he was calling me with!
Feel free to comment, have a good laugh, what ever.
Comments
Oh, that lovable donkey
This really does look like some low stakes games because nothing makes sense. His entire raising range consists of 77, 55 and 8/6s. I'm not generally worried about a range that tiny. Then again, I was told a while ago that you can't put pressure on someone's range if they can't tell a range from a toaster-oven.
Just have to ask - what are you doing playing these things? Are you some sort of masochist? Maybe you're a sadist and like beating up on poor little donkbots?
Hey Warlock,
Actually I am now starting to play the Mid range 6 and 9 Max Ring Games and they are a breath of fresh air. I can actually make more bluffs, steal pots and raises are respected. Also, everything is more postionally aware. I am not saying they are "easier" BUT there seems to be alot less relentless calling with lame hands from players with "Toaster Oven" ranges. LOL. LOVE that comment.
I am playing the lower ones because I want to prepare myself for the worst of the calling stations etc. I have read and watched Vid's on youtube how the low stakes Cash games online are filled with these types. My plan is to start in the Micro stakes and wait until I have made 15 Buy-Ins and then take a shot at the next level. I will continue to do this and work my way up. IF I lose 15 Buy-Ins then I have to go down a level. This strategy is about educating myself and investing in my Poker Education. It's not about having the 45-100 Buy-Ins saved for EACH level. To quote Baalim "So your only goal is to learn more poker. It isn't growing your bankroll, moving up stakes, or anything else. It is simply to get better at this game." "Despite what you read elsewhere do not use a conservative bankroll management (using 50 buy-in rule for micro-stakes is a huge mistake). The lower you play, the less you will learn. Moving up is essential for the learning process, but don't overdo it. If you lose your bankroll, you can't learn any more. So, I'd suggest something like 15 buy-ins to move up or down, and obey it religiously."
Here is the link
https://www.pokerstars.com/en/blog/team_pokerstars_online/2016/from-10-to-1000-the-easy-smart-way-160724.shtml?no_redirect=1
To parapharase him, I am using my Bankroll as a TOOL to learn the game. I think this is a very smart and aggressive idea for my Poker Education. So, I grind the low and mids for now here and complete all the excersizes assigned me for my Training Sessions. Yes, I realize that I will most likely have my ass handed to me as I move up but I am not betting the farm or the entire bankroll through this approach. I also realize that I could be taking a shot at the next level when the down side of variance decides to rear its ugly head. Those are the breaks and part of the learning process. Anyway thats the plan for now. Damn, this reply is long. LOL. CC
However calling a 3bet with 23s not recommended. Lol
Yeah, I was going to mention that CC probably should have just put him all-in rather than call his raise on the flop. All the money is in the middle anyway for hero since villain has so little left behind. I'd want it all there on the flop so there's no chance he can escape with any.
Hey Guys,
I appreciate the comments regarding the River BUT COME ON its my donkey STU and reeling him in was so much fun. You know what the odds were on the River? 100% in my favor that stuey was getting reeled in for every chip he had in his posession. LOL, thanks highfive and warlock CC
My question is why not apply that here? I played up to KGB and got spanked for 10k hands. Then moved down and crushed games that I was having problems with.
I agree that you do learn faster playing tougher games. The problem is it costs alot of cash in real money games. I did it. I recommended it to @MAM4. Maybe he can comment. It worked for me.
You just have to stick with it when getting bludgeoned in the beginning.
My2C
Hey Highfive,
My plan is to work my way up here first and then apply the 15 Buy-in Cash strategy online. Right now I am concentrating on low and mids for the ring games. Thanks for ALL of your input. I am a little confused about MAM4 though. Did he play Cash Games first at 15 Buy-Ins to learn the next level??? Bit confused there as to what you stated. Thanks so much, CC
lol claps you go girl!
The skills one learns against KGB will enable you to crush Michelle Lyons and others on your bot B list.
I mentioned @MAM4 bc he did it. Maybe he could say if it was helpful.
The skills one learns at KGB will enable you to beat all levels below it.
The reason I recommend it is I couldnt beat your buddy Miss Lyons at HU. Now I crush KGB for 300 bb/100 HU.
But dont do it if you arent tough. You may well take a beating at first.
I'm going to the a dissenting voice on moving up to the top level too quickly. I don't think there is a point in getting beaten up if you won't know why its happening. I'm a believer in building a solid core of fundamentals and layering on new skills from there. I agree that the lowest level bots aren't going to teach anyone very much, other than the order of hands and basic familiarity with what a poker table looks like. As soon as someone knows the difference between a pair and a flush, I'd suggest moving up to the next level. If you skip all the intermediary steps, you will not have learned the skills necessary to become good, IMO.
My advice to people starting out is always the same: learn the basics, learn the math and then learn to play solid ABC poker. Those steps alone will make you better than 75%+ of people who play low-stake games (say 1/2 live or 10NL online). When you have the fundamentals down to where you can run hands in your sleep, then start adding on. Without a solid foundation, no stable structure can be built. That's as true for architecture as it is for poker or any other learned skill.
Now, I do agree that people should challenge themselves, especially when there are no monetary considerations to worry about. That is a huge advantage to having a training site vs having to learn using real money. I had to learn the old-fashioned way and it wasn't always pleasant. So don't hang out at a level just because it makes you feel good to win. Once you have learned what you need to know to beat a level consistently, move up. There are no shortcuts in this game. Some people may be savants and just "get it" but most of us mere mortals have to learn 1 concept at a time, integrate it into the things we already knew, practice it until it becomes 2nd nature and then add another one.
There's 1 more thing to consider when learning something new: Enjoying the journey. This is a wonderful game on many many levels. Rather than rushing to an endpoint, I would hope people take the time to appreciate what's going on around them every step of the way. The people you will meet, the concepts you will learn, the funny stories of bad-beats and lucky suckouts. Everything from the beautiful dealer we flirt with to the fat guy with bad flatulence seated directly upwind from us becomes part of our poker-story. Very few of us will ever do this professionally or need to earn a living this way. With that in mind, I think enjoying the journey is a good part of the experience.
Hey Warlock and everyone,
Right now my stats for 6 Max Phil's Garage are at 3,894 Hands dealt. I thought this was not enough of a sample to move up???
VPIP 22%
PFR 15%
AF 3.11
WS$$ 55%
CBet 82%
DFS 28%
Steal 47%
BB/100 57.11
Chips/100 $114.23
Full Ring at Phils is just under 400 Hands so the Stats are grossly inflated in my favor. I have read that you need a sample of at least 10,000 hands to get a grasp of how well you are doing at a particular level. Should I apply that here as well????
Thank you so much to EVERYONE for their input,
CC
Hey highfive,
Actually that is exactly what I am doing. Training up HERE before I go live! I posted my stats for Phil's Garage and you actually inspired me to go to the next level and if I lose 15 buy ins I will go back down. I was under the impression that I needed at least 10,000 hands to know where I stand at a particular level BUT I have played a few Medium games and found them so much more interesting due to the fact that I can practice more of what I am reading about and watching on Vid's here and YouTube. Phils Garage is a bit of a guessing game. Yes, I try to figure out the Bots range BUT they dont really have ANY logical ranges. Its just an insane shove fest. "I love my pair and I am going to call EVERYTHING." Don't get me wrong. I welcome the challenge because there are players like that in human games BUT how long should I be hanging out with them? Thanks again, CC
Forget the 10,000 hands thing right now. You should cruise through these early levels. You'll know when you are ready. 15 buy-ins is a little odd of a metric for me, mostly because this isn't a cash site. IMO, if you are beating a level for 25-30+BB/100 over 2500 ~hands, move up. You'll know very quickly if you made the jump too early and can move back down. So rather than buy-ins, I'd focus on BB/100. That's the metric you will use when playing cash so might as well use it here too. Just my opinion though.
Ooookayy then.
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Hi @Cupcake,
Your posts spawned so many comments. I had to shorten it to a few. Trying to avoid ebook style posts.
Nice stats. Right on point.
Vpip & Pfr great for solid play not too tight not too loose.
W$S is premium. Any higher and you are folding too much on the river. Players will also stop going to river with you bc they think you're nutted on the river.
Cbet % a little high. It may be fine here on APT but if you are preparing for online, it is exploitable. You will be running a HUD and so will the villains. The stats are everybody misses the flop 65%. So if you cbet 82% villains know they can Check/Raise you bc you have nothing alot on your cbets. Check back and take free cards some and check back with a good value hand some which will induce bets from villains. OOP - I opened. I should cbet is a fallacy. Checks oop will induce bluffs which you can raise. Not too interested in talking myself but I cbet about 60%.
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Sample size is way overrated IMO bc it assumes your villains' playing strat/Style is a constant and it's not. Heck even the bots here adapt. Humans change and adapt too. @1warlock and I were discussing a session i had recently where i lost 4 buyins and then completely flipped my style and won them back in the SAME session. I say keep moving up until you find a level you cant beat. Boom! You have a strong indicator that you have things to learn. Then go to work and learn how to beat that level.
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The 4 most important words you wrote are, " I welcome the challenge." Good. Losing energizes me. Some people are the pouty types. My recommendation to move up was not for the faint of heart. I got spanked over 10k hands. Some % of players would find another hobby. )
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My utube recommendation is Doug Polk. He has a playlist called Poker Hands. Each hand might be interesting but the most thing to learn is the thought process. Why he would raise. Why he would call or fold. Bet sizing and so on. Thought process might the #1 skill in poker. Check it out.
Yeah well. That was still too long. Ha
HTH. Tony
Hey Tony and everyone,
I really appreciate all of the valuable feedback. I will try to check out Doug Polk the problem is I can't stand his personality. Now if it were Phil Laak!
Started running the 6 Max at medium all day. Lost three Buy-ins pretty early, persisted, won back slowly, then just finished a Session 3 Buy-Ins up. Whew. Loose passives are a thing to beat. Damn. Call, Call, Call, I don't care for how much, Call, Call, I am holding a pair of fives, Call, Call, who cares whats on the board? Not as extreme as the low levels BUT they can be trying. Anyway thanks so much to everybody! CC
@cupcake - What's not to like about an egomaniac in a tank-top? LOL. He's great for theory but isn't going to help beat the loose passives you are facing now. Fortunately, Dr. Warlock has the secret recipe: Value. You are frustrated because they call with everything but you need to turn that thought process around. Think how lucky you are to have people so willing to pay you off on your big hands. Most good players can make some tight folds. These types of players couldn't fold 3rd pair, no kicker. Yes, they will make some goofy 2-pair hands on you but in the long run, they are your best source of revenue. Play small pots with small hands and big pots with big hands.
When you face them live, your 1st instinct when they suck out on you will be to curse their parents for even conceiving them. This is not productive. What you need to do is compliment them on their play and keep their sorry butts planted in their seats until you have your money back, with interest. Oh, I love this game. It helps me nurture my inner sociopath
Hey Warlock, Sociopath? Because of this site I have also become an in-position kleptomaniac. It was pointed out in my lessons that I was losing big time not doing this enough. Light bulb went on and if that pot is not nailed down I will steal it with felt attached. "Play small pots with small hands and big pots with big hands." Exactly, and I tend to blow up the Pots too much. I am very actively working on lowering the C-betting which is off the charts and adjusting my bet sizing. Also limping sometimes to just mix things up. I seriously HATE limping but I also hate being predictable.
Thank you again,
CC
LMAO - I love that line about stealing pots. Sadly, it only works for a while. When bots/people see you stealing too frequently they start re-stealing and you have to back off a bit. Still, better to be aggressive (within reason) than passive. This is game theory at work. You steal. They figure you are stealing and adapt. You figure out they have adapted and adjust. They figure out you've adjusted and adjust to that. It goes on and on like this for as many levels as we can imagine.
I don't like limping either but sometimes it can work out. If a table full of passives will let me get away with it, I can splash around with all sorts of nonsense cheaply. I find that I'm actually not limping-behind as much as I should. I'm losing theoretical EV from doing this, though I'm not sure how much practical value I'm giving up by avoiding complicated situations when I can. A certain degree of cowardice has served me well in this game. The fewer complex decisions I have to face, the fewer mistakes I make. Sounds dumb because its so simple but it really has worked for me.
For you Warlock, my favorite Poker song. Notice the chorus "I hate the min. bet." HAHAHAHHA CC
A bit of Poker History. LOL
BWAHAHAHAHA! I'm dying of laughter. The best part about it is that I found my new ring-tone! "I hate the min bet …. "