Live Poker Questions and etiquette
I'm still fairly new to playing poker, especially live but I got a chance to put in a session last weekend of $1/2 and I've got a few observations and questions that I'd like to run by you.
Slow play or just a really bad Tell?
So, my third hand in, I get dealt A9cc in the BB. I'll save you the gory details but Limped Pot, Bet on the Flop from SB, I'm the only one to call with 2 clubs. c/c on the Turn and a 8c hits the River.
Now, the SB bets for $100 (Crazy overbet) and I go into the Tank, because I want to make extra-special sure that I have the nuts. There's no straight flush, no paired board. I'm going over and over for at least 60 seconds which feels like an eternity.
I do the super lame, 'I guess I'm all-in,' for $225, push my chips over the line and the SB snaps call. I show, he mucks and says more to himself I think, that I slow played my hand.
I should mention that there were several times where I faced a raise with the nutter-butters and completely tanked for a minute making sure that I indeed had the nuts. I would always then raise and I swear, I almost always got called. I never tanked though when action folded to me when I had the Nutter Butters.
So, I get that it's probably a bad tell that I should work on, but was I slow-playing or God forbid, slow rolling anyone?
Rude opening bet?
I took Jonathan Little's course for a few months and bought a series on Upswing early this year and both talked about opening to 3x the BB, so $6-8 at the $1/2 game. At the first few games I went to, I was shocked(!) when someone had the audacity to regularly bet +$10. What a rude-head!
Then, I watched a few YT videos where they said that at $1/2, everyone at the table will call for anything less than $10.
Last weekend, I tried the $10 open and was AMAZED at how many times I won pre-flop. Amazed. I should mention that I would add an increment for every limper, so it got up there sometimes. So, then I bet $8 and I would always get called by at least 5 callers. I would -normally- call $6 and up, especially if I had a middle pocket pair.
But, was that me being a rude-head for opening so big? I'd hate to be told, even in jest, to go jump on a $2/5 table or something. Because I kinda get it, I think maybe they all wanted to see cheap flops and don't want some rude-head spoiling their time.
Color Up?
What's the ruling on coloring up? I was doing well enough where I had several stacks of reds and people wanted to sell me their greens. Is there a particular balance to strike with chips?
One Hand in particular
One of the last hands of the night was TT from the SB. EVERYONE limped and I was like, 'damn, do I really want to be like, $22 to clear out all of this nonsense? And then get 1-2 callers that hits their overpair?"
So I limp, BB limps behind and BB wins a big pot because they boated their J3o when the flop was J33. Ironically, I'm almost positive I lost at least $22 on that hand.
What's the optimal move in something like this?
Thanks for your help!
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First, I think if you take a long time to act with the nuts, some players might accuse you of slow-rolling. And if you take a long time and then raise big, they might accuse you of "Hollywooding" to get the call.
Second, "slow-playing" is an entirely different thing, and is a perfectly valid line that most poker players take with varying degrees of frequency. I don't think it is an insult, or a criticism, or anything I would concern myself with at all.
Third, what does he want you to do, wave a big flag or put up a neon sign when you hit your hand?
As to bet sizing at $1/$2, I don't think there is any hard and fast "rule" as to what is appropriate. It can vary a lot from room to room, and even from table to table in the same room. Time of the day, day of the week, etc can all impact it. I think of it as trial and error. If I am raising to isolate, and it doesn't isolate, I have to raise bigger. And if nobody ever calls, I should probably drop the bet down a bit.
The same is true for all types of bets, steals, squeezes, etc, Open, 3bet, 4bet. it doesn't matter. I should have an objective when I bet. And I should adjust my sizing if my bets aren't getting the job done. If I want folds, if I want calls, if I want to build a pot, if I want to take it down, I should work to find the size that will do the job on that day with those opponents.
The exception is if your objective is to be social, see some flops, and try to get lucky on a high hand promotion or something, then maybe it's okay to play a bunch of limped 8-way pots. And to be sure, you won't be popular with that crowd if you do it differently. But I don't think there is anything impolite about playing good poker and trying to win money.
Thank you so much for explaining your strategy. This strategy is similar to the Martingale strategy. And that is, I bet on an event with a coefficient of 2. If you lose, double your next best result. Namely, it should look like this: Coefficient / Net /Result/ Income
2 1000 losses -1000
2 2000 loss -3000
2 4000 loss -7000
2 8000 loss -15000
2 16000 win +32000 I believe that this strategy is ideal for people with a rubber wallet, that is, people with a lot of money. For example, recently a friend of mine was playing in a casino and made etr stacking. And at first, he lost, but eventually came out in a big plus.
"slow-playing" is an entirely different thing, and is a perfectly valid line that most poker players take with varying degrees of frequency. I don't think it is an insult, or a criticism, or anything I would concern myself with at all.
I can't get the perfect timing of folding cards. Is there a correct technique in doing it? By the way, I play online version at https://uusimmatkasinot.com/
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I can't get the perfect timing of folding cards. Is there a correct technique in doing it?
As a beginner, here is a cool trick that I learned. There is no perfect timing to fold the cards as you can take your time to understand your chances to win the game. If you are sure about folding the cards, do a count down in your head. I usually countdown from 6 and then make my move. It really helps me stay composed even when folding. Again, I am just a beginner, and I don't know if this can work for everyone.